Evil axis
By glazou on Friday 19 December 2003, 18:08 - Bushisms - Permalink
The man is a former US diplomat. I've seen him once or twice in the past in the neighbourhood. He is now retired and lives here in France, not too far away from my place. I am having lunch, and he sits next table. He is having lunch with someone I easily recognize. A famous russian I see for the second time in Paris. Interestingly, they speak together in french. The Russian has almost no accent, the American can't hide where he comes from. The American tells the Russian (personal translation into english) "George Walker Bush takes us to hell. He recently declared that Saddam deserves the ultimate penalty. Can you believe that the Iranian president, and Iranians have excellent reasons to hate Saddam or have more reasons than we do, replied that he is against death penalty. Can you believe the United States, pretending to represent freedom and democracy all over the world, receive a deserved lesson of Civilization with a capital C from Iran?... "
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"America is the only nation in history which, miraculously, has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization."
Georges Clémenceau
i find it funny that people say stuff like this yet where did the french revolution really get it's pull for democracy from...
Bush sucks, i don't doubt this (being an american myself i know first hand how he's fucking us and everyone else up), but the death penalty is not the thing to cite him on, it's already established as that he's a moron and he was well known for his former state's executions, but i mean, what good is a man who executed thousands alive?
I was against the war, don't get me wrong, but now that he's caught he should be made to pay, if only so there is no chance he can come back later and those who do fear him can break out of that. Besides, someone who commits such atrocities he's committed and clearly has no feeling about it really deserves a tastes of his own medicine. Sure, there are a lot worse places out there and GW just did this for oil there is no doubt in my mind, but the fact of the matter is Saddam was not a good ruler, not a fiar ruler and if there is a bright side to all this bullshit, it's that he's gone and the people there will eventually have the potential to live better lives, if they can manage to survive the capitalist plundering of their nation first.
Interesing that we supposedly went to war for the oil, and yet it's the US that is pouring millions of dollars into the rebuilding of Iraq, and the only thing I've heard about the oil is that it MIGHT be used to pay for part of the war. Doesn't sound like profit to me.
No one seems to realize that the US had full UN support from its numerous resolutions, the UN just failed to put any teeth behind them so the US went ahead and did what needed to be done.
Everyone talks about how no WMDs have been found (yet), but no one has ever questioned the UNs inspections years ago that found weapons and now years later, Saddam provides thousands of pages of "documentation" of what happened with NO mention of the weapons we KNOW he had. If he can't account for either having or destroying them, we must assume he still had them and he was given plenty of time to explain.
Thank God Clinton isn't in the white house, the jerk did enough damage when he let Osama go, who knows how many more Saddam would have killed if we hadn't gone in.
David S wrote:
> we KNOW he had
Ah. You know. Good, good... How ? You saw a proof ? When ? Shown by who ? To who ?
The only non-american person who said "I have seen enough evidence blabla" is Tony Blair. Asked for more details, he did not reply.
According to US military sources, Saddam had the 4th army in the world, had hidden bunkers everywhere, had a pretorian army ready to die for him until last drop of blood. We saw what happened. No bunkers. No army. No pretorians.
British, French and German intelligence services consider US file about iraki WMD is so weak it can be called "empty".
I recommend you find a copy of "CIA, guerres secrètes" documentary and find a french speaker to translate it for you. In particular the moment when the CIA official says "Saddam has no link with Al Quaeda, has no WMD. We attacked him only because we missed Bin Laden".
Je n'ai pas le courage d'écrire en anglais. Trop fatigué.
Je conseillerai à David S. de trouver quelqu'un qui lui traduise l'excellente émission écoutée hier sur France Inter: "France-Irak, mensonges atomiques". Il y apprendrait comment sans vergogne *tous* les pays occidentaux ont aidé M. Saddam Hussein dans sa course à l'armement atomique, ceci jusqu'à la première guerre du golfe et comment les inspecteur ont réduit à néant ses installations après cette première guerre. Ils ont trouvé et simplement totalement dynamité l'énorme complexe destiné à fabriquer la bombe Irakienne. Il y apprendrait aussi que les USA qui lui avaient comme la France du premier ministre Chirac livré une partie de la technologie lui avaient aussi procuré les détonateurs... c'est ici:
www.tv-radio.com/ondemand...
sur cette page:
www.radiofrance.fr/chaine...
jusqu'au dimanche 11 janvier, 9h
A ciao.
So the US is supposed to take it's morality and ethics cues from the 'high ground' that is Europe and the UN - absolutely laughable.
Who protested the loudest against removing a genocidal murderer?
Who was on the receiving end of Saddam's, under the table, oil kickbacks?
Why none other than Chirac, the Germans, and Putin. Who'd a thunk?
abcnews.go.com/sections/W...
The US is not the root of all evil in the world. Wake up already.
PS. I just loved the recent push Chirac made to start selling advanced weapons to China. Bravo. The Eiffel tower bathed in red light. Tres Bien! You must be very proud.
> Who protested the loudest against removing a genocidal murderer?
Hum. Who gave him the lethal gases he used as a genocidal murderer?
You need help? Facts? The approvals for leaving US soil were signed
by Rumsfeld and a few other actors of today's US politics. You should
stop watching only Fox news...
> Who was on the receiving end of Saddam's, under the table, oil kickbacks?
Haliburton?
> The US is not the root of all evil in the world.
Who said they are?!?!? Certainly not me.
> I just loved the recent push Chirac made to start selling advanced weapons to China.
> Bravo. The Eiffel tower bathed in red light. Tres Bien! You must be very proud.
Well, not prouder than some american friends when Nixon went to China, when the CIA supported dictators in all central- and south-america, or when the Bush administration removes 40 pages about Saudi-Arabia from a report about the sources of terrorism...
Wow, you seem to be kinda stuck in the past. Nixon to China?
Hey, how's the crackdown on banning schoolgirls wearing muslim headress going? You guys sure know how to pick your spots.
Exactly when did France lose it's way? Seriously, your government seems to have come off the rails.
Maybe France needs it's own 9/11 wake up, heaven forbid.
I truly don't understand why Bush is so villified by the rest of the world. Last I checked he wasn't turning off the heat at old folks homes or swerving the limo to run over small rabbits.
And since when did removing a mass murderer from power make one the object of scorn across the globe?
Or would you have preferred the status quo with the embargo and Oil for Food program while the Iraqi people suffered under Saddam's thumb and with French, Germans, and Russians getting fat off Saddam's blood money?
This was the right thing to do on many levels.
Maybe Europe needs to *start* watching Fox news - seriously. It never hurts to listen to an alternative point of view once in a while.
> Maybe Europe needs to *start* watching Fox news - seriously. It never hurts to
You'll see in which shape your country will be after that.
> listen to an alternative point of view once in a while.
ROFL!!!
There was a famous Washington Post journalist on french tv the other day. He was quite happy we have no Fox News here. He called Fox News "lame obscurantist propaganda". I certainly believe that, after I watched Fox News myself last time I was in the US. It's lame, and it's a vehicle for right-wing ideas close to extreme-right. Jörg Haider would love it. Sorry, I don't.
About 9/11 in Europe, your culture is really close to zero : you should find some info about Al Quaeda attacks in France, Germany and Spain. I remember the bombings in Paris, in 86 and 95. I remember the fear readable on the face of subway passengers. And about oil programs, read more the facts about who was getting money. Not only the French Russians and Germans my dear, not only them:-)
Bush is an imbecile. And if you thank him for having slashed US image abroad, well, that's your problem. Give him another four years, just for fun
BTW, get a life outside from Fox News, read a book.
Why only speak about the Fall of WTC and the Iraq/US war ?
We also could talk about Kyoto : GWB gave the possibility to US firm to make more pollution.
And what about the medicine patents ? Why does he refuse to give the opportunity to Africa to use this medicine (without paid a fortune for them) ?
There's much to say about this country (in bas sense) than what we heard...
I really was sincere in my previous post about what Bush has done too deserve such global scorn. But all you come up with is that "he's an imbecile". Weak.
Try getting past the typical knee jerk, liberal name calling and consider the merits of alternative points of view.
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PS. I love Composer. Kudos for such a great tool.
Say whatever you want sweetie, Bush and Blair are gonna be eligible for Sainthood when compared to the pack of sanctimonious, hypocritical snakes that are Chirac, Putin, and Schroeder AND the UN.
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It will be truly enjoyable watching this stuff unfold over the coming months.
We finally got rid of our morally bankrupt leader (Clinton) a few years ago. One can only hope that the Iraq and oil for food scandals nudge Europe down a similar path.
Bwahahahaha!!!!! PS, your last comment is the paroxism of ridiculous. *Again*, get a life out of propaganda.
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