Can I vomit now please?
By glazou on Thursday 11 March 2004, 14:46 - General - Permalink
- Europe knows about terrorism. Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Germany, United Kingdom... ETA, Action Directe, Red Brigades, Red Army Fraction, Irish Republican Army, 17 November, and many others. Rivers of blood. When one says Europe needs its own 9/11 as a wake-up call, that's just stupid. We have a few wake-up calls per year since the 1970's, unfortunately...
- we already had "drunk as a Pole", "stingy as a Scotsman" and a few other very exagerated and sometimes racist insults. We have to add one to that list: "cretin and barbarian as a separatist Basque". But that one is not exagerated at all.
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Do not agree. 'Cretin and barbarian as a human being' in just fine. The fact that this guy is a separatist Basque doesn't even count, as all human beings act the same. Some by creating stupid borders and some by making killing, and not less stupid, bombs.
Ah. Because all human beings place bombs in crowded trains. Come back on Earth, please.
Cet attentat contre des civils est vraiment affreux ... et ne peut donc en aucune façon être justifié par une quelconque cause - quelle que soit sa justesse !
Mais à ma connaissance rien ne prouve que c'est un acte de l'ETA même si cela est probable. L'Espagne a également été menacée par Al Qaeda dans le passé (l'Espagne fait partie de la coalition US en Irak) et la méthodologie de l'attentat ressemble plus à Al Qaeda qu'aux attentats passés de l'ETA - lesquels ciblaient les policiens, les forces de l'ordre, les juges et l'armée ... mais évitaient dans la mesure du possible (sic !) de tuer des civils ...
Attention, l'ETA est pour l'instant seulement une piste à ce que j'ai compris. Je tiens à signaler aussi qu'on peut être basque, séparatiste ET non violent (sisi). On peut même être séparatiste basque ET pas crétin ET pas barbare.
On reprochait à certains de généraliser à "musulman = terroriste sanguinaire" lors du 11/09, ne faisons pas pareil ici.
First, let me make clear that I condemn ANY TERRORIST ACT, being it executed by Arab Extremists, Separatist groups, Paramilitary Forces or Western SpecOps, wherever they happen. There's no excuse to killing civilians like this.
But let's not take precipitated conclusions from this crime. Many Basques, Catalonians and Gallegos who support independent republics in their territories do so by voting on the respective independentist parties. And they do have right to think like that and express it peaceful and democratically!
Furthermore, there's no proof yet that this terrorist action was planed by ETA. Whoever did it, should be condemned! But who loses more with this act (politically) is precisely the Batasuna, that will have a massive electoral flaw boosted by the association people will make between them and the terrorists... Too bad strategy. Too bad, specially to someone who planed so well the slaughter...
If terrorists want to kill themselves, great! At least give the rest of us the option, though - it's just damn rude...
> Can I vomit now please?
"throw up" me semblerait plus juste.
Pas entendu une seule fois le terme "vomit" employe comme un verbe durant mes années ricaines.
A+,
According to Al-Quds-al-Arabi it's not ETA, it's Al-Qaeda. See pennlive.com/newsflash/to...
Daniel:
I am basque and I am not separatist. I understand the historic behind that deep nationalist though. But I would like to wait a little bit to see that this was done by ETA or not. And even if it did, I think these are not the manners of the ETA. They used to warn before. There has almost been more dead today than the total number of dead of the 3 most deadly years under ETA terrorism (from 78 to 80). So either it is a more radical branch of ETA, either it is somebody else. Let's not jump to conclusions.
That's still allow you and me to throw out. It makes me shiver to see that.
Gilou:
"Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)"
Vomit Vom"it, v. i. imp. & p. p. Vomited; p. pr. & vb. n.
Vomiting. Cf. L. vomere, vomitum, and v. freq. vomitare.
See Vomit, n.
To eject the contents of the stomach by the mouth; to puke;
to spew.
[...]
Oui, oui, coffeebreaks, je n'ai pas dit que le verbe n'existait pas, simplement qu'il ne faisait pas partie du registre courant.
Ce qui n'a rien de surprenant, les mots d'origine latine (le verbe vomitāre, en l'occurence) ne faisant pas en général partie de la langue courante lorsqu'il existe un terme concurrent d'origine anglo-saxone (le verbe thrāwan).
Par contre, dès qu'on a besoin d'une forme nominale on utilisera en effet le nom vomit, throw up n'ayant pas de forme nominale.
A+,
Don't make haste conclusions. From my point of view, it is quite improbable that it has been done by ETA. It's simply not their way of doing "such things"...
Regarding ETA please keep in mind that it happened exactly 2.5 years after 9/11
glandium: as some leaders of ETA have recently been arrested, can't we imagine that people left in this organization are dangerous extremists? Why wouldn't they change their habits?
Gilles, i'm not too familier with these groups or what they stand for but to me but what glandium and coffeebreaks said make some sense... if the group wasn't about killing people why would they just sacrifice their values and 180 like that, this was clearly to harm and kill people. Even terrorist groups have rational and reason behind their beliefs and they try not to sacrifice them, so it wouldn't make logical sense for them to do something like that if they have gone out of their way not to before.
Just what i've gathered from things, not defending terrorism, if you ask me any group who blows anything up is severely stupid and dangerous, but you gotta realize 90% of the time there is a logic behind things... maybe a fucked up logic... but a logic behind it none the less.
I'm still stunned and hurt. The objective of this was only killing and in the worst way. However I'm utterly confused who was responsible, some hints point to ETA, others to Al Qaeda... and what if were both of them? ETA selling the explosives and delivering them to Al Qaeda operatives in Madrid?
Hints, ETA was caught trying to enter half a ton of dynamite in Madrid and seems that the explosive used is the typical from ETA.
When the Israeli embassy and the Jewish mutual club were blown in Buenos Aires, arab terrorists were in charge but they hired argentine people to get the explosives and cars.
How much time remains until some idiot decides he will go to paradise or fight against represors by making an nuclear bomb explode in a city?
What a nasty world our children will inherit!
Javier : what a nasty world we must live in !
Comme quoi il vaut mieux attendre un peu ou réfléchir au lieu de se faire directement manipuler par le gouvernement espagnol ;¬)