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By glazou on Wednesday 8 September 2004, 13:27 - Mozilla
Planet Mozilla should be removed from Mozilla.org's home page, IMHO:
Click on the image below to see first selection preserved between Normal view and Source view in Composer/Nvu
Anyone who clicked the link through would know that I was in no way bashing Mozilla, and was suggesting ways to improve Mozilla's adoption. I think it's part of healthy debate. I don't think it was inappropriate. Whether or not you want such debate to show up on www.mozilla.org is another question. But don't use me as an example to hold up. I've seen far more offtopic and potentially inappropriate stuff (syndicated from your own blog, no less) show up on www.mozilla.org.
Ali: I agree. But from a Marketing point of view, having my "I hate this big shit of Windows" or your "I'm an Opera user now" on www.mozilla.org is about the same...
I personally don't see why personal or offtopic items are bad. It works well for both Sun and gnome, so why not mozilla ?
If you're work on NVU goes back into the mozilla-tree will we then get colored view-source ??
I would like that
Why do we see the doctype line 2 times ?
And it seems that we can change-it int the second line and not in the first ?
Julien: because that's a work in progress ?
Ali, it wasn't a personal attack, I mentioned this to the Mozilla marketing public mailing list because I've thought from the beginning that having weblogs listed on the front page of mozilla.org is a bad idea. Because the front page is for marketing, not discussion. You couldn't imagine Microsoft displaying recent posts from random peoples blogs on the front page of microsoft.com - if they did each post would be pre-approved before posting which is something we wouldn't want to do.
Removing the weblogs from the front of mozilla.org would mean that people could comment freely without having to worry if their actions could affect mozilla from a marketing standpoint. People can still easily find the blogs if they visit sites like Mozillazine, but once they're looking at sites like that then they're more likely to understand the project and be able to contribute meaningfully.
Dave: my point, exactly. Thanks for saying it so much better than I could do it. I have to point out that my blog is older than Mozilla.org's redesign, that I did not know people could see the title of my blog entries on that page. My blog is mine, and I will NOT censor it because it's partly visible on www.mozilla.org. Why should I?
From a marketing POV, that's quite innovative to put weblogs into the light like that; but that's also very dangerous. Too dangerous, probably.
Dave, Daniel: I know it wasn't a personal attack. Like I said (on my blog posting), I hold no grudges against Daniel or anything. I just thought that since he used my blog as an example, I should add my own thoughts. And I understand completely where you guys are coming from.
Please can you finish of the nth-child CSS support? Or at least admit that you aren't and let another dev take over! Please Please Please?
Maybe MoFo can use the space that the weblogs would free for links to the stepchilds like camino, composer/nvu and bugzilla that got removed during the redesign. I don't think that these weblogs should be at the front page. Its content that mozilla cannot control. Previously that was not tolerated, just a short reference from www.mozilla.org/README-cv... "There are a few files (in particular, mozilla-org/html/index.html and mozilla-org/html/news.html) that are tightly controlled; any attempt to check in changes to these files will fail." It doesn't make sense to protect these files when you can alter the content via RSS.
Daniel: The source-view and selection stuff looks great!
I've got one RFE, though (who doesn't?): Is it/will it be possible to style attributes in another style than element names?
Just what purpose does weblogs serve there.. on the front page of Moz? If you ask me, it looks like a bunch of teen guys hacking a software, rather than what it really is.. some brilliant piece of software shit... comeon, dont let the marketing ills of every open-source get us.. Remove Weblogs !@!!!!
I think a good replacement in that spot would be a feed from mozdev.org, with new & updated mozilla-related projects. It would be a good collection of "other things you can do with Mozilla" alongside mozillazine. (Do they even have such a feed available ATM? Might be worth a bit of prodding.
It is quite schizophrenic, that I visited this page, BECAUSE it was listed on mozilla.org frontpage. I would have checked out Alis blog too... As a "normal" but interested user, not a dev junky I appreciate to have found the way to this blog.
And: Dont dare to compare mozilla.org to microsoft.com front page again. Believe in the intelligence of us visitors instead! :-))
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