Is this really about Ukraine?
By glazou on Wednesday 24 November 2004, 13:12 - Bushisms - Permalink
Adapted from CNN's home page: " The final results of the controversial presidential election are expected to be announced today. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of supporters of liberal candidate are massing in the nation's capital for a third day of protests. Election officials say he is trailing the candidate of the party currently in charge. But exit polls indicate he is the winner and many Western nations say the election did not meet democratic standards. "
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Why this title ?
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You think it's about US ?
Yes, yes it is.
Any comparisons you might be suggesting between this story and the US election are simply nonsense, especially considering that the contradictory exit polling in the US has largely been discredited by now.
Chris Carlin, I am fed up with your propaganda...
At least in Ukraine the people have enough sense to demand real democracy. Here in the US, we just sit around and say how we voted for the other guy. Daniel, how hard did you say it is to emigrate to France?
[Note de Daniel] no insults here, comment censored, author is banned from this blog [/Note de Daniel]
Daniel: Yes. They are fighting for their own freedom. Like my country was fighting 24 years ago when Poland was controlled by USSR. For people who lived in comunizm, who know what it is, pictures from Ukraine are wonderfull. Tens of thousands of people who want to be free are making next "rose revolution" (like was made in Georgia). They are fighting for freedom, they are heading russian SPECNAZ staning in the ukrainian white house.
How dare you can compare it to USA situation where the two politics are almost identical and both shouldnt be president, and both would be "not so bad" presidents and none of them would change the course of USA. (i'm still for Kerry through)
And yes, i'm sure that they are also ready to die for their freedom. Like Polish students died from bullets of polish police 24 years ago. For freedom. You can compare it to French revolution rather than to USA elections...
War isn´t the way ... I can´t say how the ral comuism aws but the teorical is very beautfull !
I think that danial say about russian interference in ukraine ... oficialy US is suporting the liberal candidate not the governement one (wich is been acused of anti-democratic actions in the election !)
All this - not the truth. That candidate that you name liberal - supports fascists and nationalists. It is pleasant to you?
One funny thing: Kuchma and Yanukovych sent Ukrainian troops to Iraq (to the Polish occupational zone), Yushchenko was against it. And now the U.S. support Yushchenko. Did Dubya forgot that Kuchma was his friend and ally?
Daniel, you make these accusations often, but without solid evidence.
You're suggesting in this post, intentionally or not, that the exit polling information contradicted the result of the vote in the US and therefore calls it into question, but this simply isn't true. The results of the election and the exit polling call EACH OTHER into question, and in this case it has been determined that the exit polling was badly flawed.
During election night those doing the actual polling kept saying over and over that their conclusions were significantly skewed because of a skewed sample. This information is still valid for various uses, just not for predicting/verifying the presidental election results.
The exit polling in the US election was terribly flawed as a predictor of the election outcome; it is meaningless that it contradicted the result of the vote.
Congress investigates all sorts of nonsense all the time. That some congressmen or even the GAO decide to run with an issue means nothing. It's all politics and spin, not reality.
"All this - not the truth. That candidate that you name liberal - supports fascists and nationalists. It is pleasant to you?"
I don´t know much about ukraine !!!
If you say that i have to belive... I just saing that several media people caled him liberal at my country ... i cant say his name oO
The only thing i kown is that war don´t make anithing better !!! So i don´t suport facists !!! (At lesat not the ones in the italian model !)
And i nkow that bush´s governement suports the liberal/facist candidate !
Just one doubt. in bazil nationalist is considered a good thing !!! what exactly did you meen with that ?
Golyc: "a fascist" is an insult used by post-communist oligarchic Russian-speaking authoritarians like Kuchma, Yanukovych, and their supporters. Yushchenko is a right-wing liberal, but he's supported by many other oppositional groups, including e.g. the Socialist Party.. So much for a fascist.
On the other hand -- Yanukovych is a criminal - he was a usual thieve some years ago (and was imprisoned for this) and is told to have raped a woman. Need I say more?
I know something about the facism concept, what i need know is your concept abou nacionalism !!!
So if you say that them two are "morrons" witch one you wold you prefer as a ukranian citzen?
Marcoos i can't mail you... Can you mail me to "trade impresions" ?
I didn't say both of them are morons. I said Yushchenko is OK (even though he's a right-wing liberal), and Yanukovych is a former criminal, apart from being a Russian-supported oligarch.
To mail me, remove the "nospam" part from my address.
Bush won, fairly/squarely, and all the weak minded leftists are fleeing the country in droves (hopefully) - addition by subtraction.
This is all old, boring news.
Instead lets start some threads regarding French corruption and scandals. Here's a couple of starter topics:
- Oil for Food. Anyone care to speculate how long it'll take before Chirac is directly tied to the scandal?
- Ivory Coast. How's that massacre investigation going?
Uri
to gandalf:
we in Poland have never had "communism". It was socialism anyway. (Read Marks&Engels...).. If we had communism, all would have turned to other reality now.